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I just finished reading Court Duel...a novel from my middleschool days, although it's actually quite good. Lots of court intrigue, secret notes, languages of gestures and fans and saying one thing but meaning another. I'm sort of fascinated by all of that--every once in a while I think wouldn't it be interesting to live in a time like that...and then I think, oh. Right. I do. Because we still do that, although it isn't so obvious--it isn't deadly plots, but I notice sometimes when I say something, I'm not being entirely clear--I'm hoping someone will pick up on the hint instead. Things like that. Probably because I don't want to be rude, or blunt, or whathaveyou. But I still want to be honest (I thank the gods I am not poetical...:)). Can't you write poetry and be an honest person at the same time?

Also there was an article in the Times today about a local classics society (which reminds me, I should go read the Iliad. Argh)...and someone, the teacher I think, said it said a lot about you, whether you preferred Achilles as a hero or Odysseus as one. So what does it say that I love Odysseus and think Achilles was a moping idiot? So Odysseus was sly and crafty and egotistical--but he was damned clever, and he got home in the end, didn't he? Not his fault half Olympus had a grudge against him. :) Somehow, as Melissa said, I didn't really picture the famous rage of Achilles as him sitting sulking in his tent for most of the book. Bah.

Anyway, I should go read things. I was all useful this morning and learned all about bank statements and the necessity of writing everything down (kicks self), and now I should do more productive things this evening I guess...bah.

[identity profile] little-knife.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
Odysseus is a twat, in my humble opinion. The downfall of Troy pissed a lot of people off, including myself.

Akhilles is also a twat, but for different reasons. He is moody and sulky and pouty-lipped, and over all, he just whines a lot.

Now if you want a hero LOVE HEKTOR. He is so my greek mythalogical boyfriend. mwah!

Sorry...classics student.

[identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com 2004-09-09 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I have to say Hector is way much cooler than Achilles. But I don't know...I have sort of a soft spot for Odysseus, in the same way I have a soft spot for Mairelon the Magician (also a bit of a twat), or other people like that. Yeah, they're idiots...but they're clever conniving loveable little idiots. :)

[identity profile] little-knife.livejournal.com 2004-09-09 10:34 am (UTC)(link)
Well, we all have our little soft spots so, I shall forgive. However, I shall never forgive Odysseus for his horse trick, and I shall never forgive Akhilles for killing Hektor.

But I hav to say, conniving people can be terribly amusing. Unfortunately Odysseus is too egotistical to be *that* clever...I mean he told the cyclops who he was? Dumbass.

[identity profile] lady-magpie.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
ah, Court Duel. THose books were fun. Am determined to learn fan language.

I think I'll email you. Yeah. That tends to be a good way to communicate.

It was really nice to see you on last week whenever that was. I miss you and Emily and Seattle, but I'll be up for two days in October. Yes. Anyway, good to see you, college is exciting, wwhen do you start?

[identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com 2004-09-09 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I start in nine days. Ahhhhhhh! :)

When are you up in Oct?

[identity profile] lady-magpie.livejournal.com 2004-09-10 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
No idea. I find out soon. Me smart, can look at calander. Um. . .

[identity profile] seachild-elf.livejournal.com 2004-09-08 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Achilleus was just as egocentric. Moping for weeks over a woman? While I admire Briseis obvious power over the strongest man in the Greek army, it doesn't plead much in Achilleus' case to let all the remainder of the Greek army being wiped out because Agamemnon took his woman away. I bet he pouted over it too, if he had lips, that is...

Whereas Odysseus is a very interesting man... one can understand why Pallas Athena liked him so much.

In any case, read the Iliad. Even though the fact that my version started with a very thorough description of the 'thousand ships' of the Greek was a bit of a off-putter.

(This is EƤrniel from the 'moot BTW)

[identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com 2004-09-09 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Hi Earniel! :)
I have to read the Iliad for school, anyway. I'm actually enjoying it, I guess...Achilles is really getting on my nerves. Can't he accept an aopology? Good lord, I want to kick him where it hurts. :) Bah.

Yeah. I'd go for Odysseus if I were Athena. (I'm not. No Arachne here. Nuh-uh.)

[identity profile] seachild-elf.livejournal.com 2004-09-09 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
hi, Tano. :)

If you want to kick him where it hurts, you'll be wanting to do much worse when the book ends. :D

You got to read the Iliad for school, okay now I'm offically jealous. All I ever had to read for school were whiney always- depressing- and- bad- ending books. I'd have killed to be allowed to read the Iliad.

[identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com 2004-09-09 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm an honors program...which means they stuff classics down our throats and hope we remember it two years later.

Yeah. Kind of. :) I'm looking forward to it, though...about a week till I start. Eeeek!

[identity profile] countcomfect.livejournal.com 2004-09-10 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
Ajax all the way! Insanity over armor is the only way to go. Kidding.
Honest poetry? You have high goals. It is blooooody haaaaard. Let me say that again. It is bloody hard. VERY. Sigh.

[identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com 2004-09-10 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I know...let's go for...more-or-less-honest-but-still-fanciful poetry. Think I can handle that?