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I realize this is like choosing between chocolate cake & Elliott's grand marinier fudge, but humor me...I need some outside opinions, I've been poring over these for too long.

So I have to choose classes when I apply to Royal Holloway (& then hope like hell I get the ones I want). I've chosen my first history class--Social & Domestic Life in Baroque city-states in Italy, squee. I have to choose another history class (between two--essentially I have to decide if Archeology is going to be too boring as a lecture, or not). My main problem is picking two English classes. Anyone wanna help me out? I have to pick two (possibly three) of these:
* Shakespeare from Page to Stage --the literary text, & in performance. Fairly straightforward, but fun, & can I really go wrong delving into these texts at all?
*Romantic Poetry: Blake, Wordsworth & Coleridge-- the poems, plus a little of their literary criticism. I could get a different perspective than Taylor's (though I do think he rocks my world), & Coleridge makes my literary pulse flutter, so...
*British Drama 1956-1996 -- I feel like it would be good to get outside the Renaissance a little, exploring the "avant-garde..within the context of political change." Ooo.
* Dark Reform: Scandal & Satire in American Culture -- American lit, from a Brit perspective, looking at the darkness below the American myth, often in grotesque, scatalogical, sexualized and carnivalesque imagery. Possibly disgusting. Certainly interesting.
* Poetic Practice - a course one level up from the others--reading comtemporary poetry, but also writing our own, the portfolio being nearly half our grade. Oh, it would kill me--& I might actually get something written for once in my life.
* Drama & Witchcraft 1576-1642-- also upper-level. The description is filled with phrases like "unmediated text" (no glosses to save me), "morally inadequate to the inherently distressing subject the texts handle" and "the challenge of assesing plays in which the moral authority of the dramatist is in itself debateable"--which I underlined thrice & wrote "yay." (Dork.)
* Odysseus' Scar: Time in Modern Literature & Film-- it would be like that amazing two-hour discussion last year on time in "Orlando"--but for a whole semester. Mmm.

...& clearly I cannot take all of these even though I really want to. So. Chocolate cake, Elliott's fudge? Shakespeare or Wolfe or morally ambiguous writers? Thoughts?



In other news, I love Paradise Lost, it is effing cold here, I want a new coat (that fits & actually keeps me warm), dear god alive I have too much reading to do & not enough time organizational skills, I am worried about someone whom I cannot in any way help, I am definiteivly not off-book for Act five, we open way too soon, I am still slightly afraid when people talk to me about Three Sisters (Wes of the Nine-Fingers, my old theology teacher, in the library, today), the library really ought to lend books for longer than three weeks (especially books so obscure that no one else is seriously going to want them ever), I bought a plane ticket, my roommates are lovely people, my room is finally clean, & I love chai tea. ...I think that's about it.

Date: 2007-01-30 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snorkmaiden.livejournal.com
Take the witchcraft class, for sure. :D

Date: 2007-01-30 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm leaning that way...:D

Date: 2007-01-30 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snorkmaiden.livejournal.com
this advice coming from the woman in "The Crucible" but still, its a fascinating subject.

Date: 2007-01-30 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Oh, sure, I agree.

Date: 2007-01-30 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zodthecod.livejournal.com
Wow. I'd say either British Drama 56-96 or Dark Reform, as everyone loves a scandal.

Date: 2007-01-30 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
That is true...

Date: 2007-01-30 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klatukatt.livejournal.com
* Dark Reform: Scandal & Satire in American Culture
* Drama & Witchcraft 1576-1642

I vote for one of these two because SQUEEEE!

Date: 2007-01-30 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klatukatt.livejournal.com
(You lucky lucky girl!)

Date: 2007-01-30 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Mm, okay...

Date: 2007-01-30 12:35 am (UTC)
newredshoes: possum, "How embarrassing!" (if on a winter's night a traveler)
From: [personal profile] newredshoes
ZOMG, Dark Reform 118%! Also, anything to do with Odysseus is for the win.

The Shakespeare would be awesome, but it sounds pretty standard, as opposed to all your other options. And I bet you'd get to do Stoppard in the modern British Drama class!

Plus chai tea is manna. Yum.

Date: 2007-01-30 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Haha, a 118% vote is good & strong. :D (Mm, yeah, Odysseus...I'm not sure how much it actually has to do with Ody, or whether that's just Pretentious Academic Titling At Work...).
...Stoppard! I had not thought of that!

(Chai = better than coffee always.)

Date: 2007-01-30 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] countcomfect.livejournal.com
Poetic Practice - I have two friends here taking a creative writing poetry class, and both of them say it's a very very good idea, because it does in fact make you get off your ass and write.
Drama and Witchcraft - that description (unmediated text) is trying to scare you away. Don't let it. Drama/witchcraft as a continuum/relation is HUGE during that period (I might suggest an article by Greenblatt on Shakespeare & Exorcism).

Oh, and take it from me, Archaeology is NOT boring in lecture; unless you get a bad teacher, and that could happen in any subject.

Date: 2007-01-30 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Yeah, I am really craving some writing soon. & I know they put in all that to make it sounds really hard--which I'm sure it would be--but I am so not scared, that sounds thrilling.

(The only thing about Archeology is that I'd really like to take a field course in it...so a lecture seems kinda sad in comparision. I'm sure it would be fascinating anyway, but that's my thought.)

Date: 2007-01-30 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] countcomfect.livejournal.com
You'll wish you had done creative writing if you don't. That's all I'll say.

(A) Usually you have to do lecture to get into field classes later, B) It really isn't sad. I've taken 4 archaeology lecture classes, and they rock)

Date: 2007-01-30 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's probably true...

& I know. But I doubt I will be able to take any field courses later anyway...

Date: 2007-01-30 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] countcomfect.livejournal.com
PS - My only fear on Dark Reform is that it sounds like a class description that is better than the class. There are a lot of ways it could go wrong, especially as it is a Brit perspective on Americans. That said, the description is good.

Date: 2007-01-30 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Huh, yeah. I was feeling a little leery of it despite how cool it sounded, & maybe that's why. I actually think that the Brit perspective would be what makes it interesting--but now that I think about it, I don't know that I've studied enough American lit to make the British perspective worthwhile, if you know what I mean.

Date: 2007-01-30 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] countcomfect.livejournal.com
Yeah, I do, I think, know what you mean.

And do remember what I said about Archaeology in lecture rocking. I've spent the majority of my electives on it.

Date: 2007-01-30 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aqueous-sammo.livejournal.com
poetic practice! Coming from a boy who took 2 months of nothing but poetry writing and critiqing, it's such a great thing to do. Create! Create!!!

Date: 2007-01-30 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Create! :D

Date: 2007-01-30 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leeann-marie.livejournal.com
Omg, Dark Reform looks fascinating! If I were in your shoes, I think I'd take that one & Romantic Poetry.

Date: 2007-01-30 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leeann-marie.livejournal.com
Or maybe Dark Reform & Poetic Practice--I do agree with some of the other commenters that taking a class is the best (sometimes only!) way to force yourself to write. I love taking Creative Writing for exactly that reason.

Date: 2007-01-30 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Wow, Dark Reform is winning out all over the place...

Date: 2007-01-30 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluetruedream.livejournal.com
NOT ROMANTIC POETRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's ok in small doses, but i've had it for over six weeks now, and if i have to read "This Lime Tree Bower My Prison" or "The Eolian Harp" one more time, I might go get myself in a shipwreck a la Percy Shelley. I kid, but honestly---I'm REALLY not a big Romantic poetry girl. Perhaps it's a matter of personal taste, but I thought I;d let you know.

As for the others.... Drama and Witchraft! Dark Reform!!! British Drama!!!!!
how in the world can you lose ;)
xoxo

Date: 2007-01-30 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Haha, sweet! Yeah, I like some Romantic poets--but I'm pretty picky, it's fairly touch-&-go for me in that era. So probably ten weeks would kill me.

Mmm. Drama & Witchcraft & Dark Reform are edging out...

Date: 2007-01-30 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] countcomfect.livejournal.com
I'm with Claire on the not-Romantics. Some are great - some are horrible - you have better choices.

Date: 2007-01-30 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intrepidhero.livejournal.com
Go for the fudge.

Date: 2007-01-30 08:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Oh, dude, always.

Date: 2007-01-30 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] countcomfect.livejournal.com
Invent a fudge cake so we can do both.

Date: 2007-01-30 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Ajdskfsdufl....Elliot's fudge in cake form. Want.

Date: 2007-01-30 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intrepidhero.livejournal.com
I... think I know exactly how to do that.

Also, technically what you are thinking of are brownies, but they are so fudge-like that I have no problem with them being called that.

Date: 2007-01-31 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zodthecod.livejournal.com
You know, my birthday is coming up soon.

...Ignore the fact that Philip and Kenna's birthdays are before mine.

Date: 2007-01-31 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
...Don't ignore it! Make it for my birthday. That way you can test it to make sure it's really good for Zoe's.

Date: 2007-01-30 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seachild-elf.livejournal.com
If it were me, I'd go : "Ooooh, archaeology!" and never mind the other classes. :p

Odysseus' Scar sounds interesting, not only because I can't see the direct connection of the title to the actual subject, so it might be interesting to find that out, and by the looks of it you'd get a bit of movie in it too, so the diversity might be fun?

Honestly, I wouldn't know either.

Date: 2007-01-31 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Haha, well, that's true. But I think some of the others would complement what I'm getting at SU more, so...

Date: 2007-01-30 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] countcomfect.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odysseus'_scar_(Auerbach)

Date: 2007-01-31 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
...you rock my WORLD

Date: 2007-01-31 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-magpie.livejournal.com
1. Taking archeology lecture may lead to further opportunities outside of a lecture hall, especially if you spend a lot of time talking to your professor.
2. Variety is a good thing: British Drama 1956-1996
3. See above + actually writing your own stuff can be so very thrilling when it's not making you tear out your hair: Poetical Practice. As we both well know, sometimes hair-tearing-out difficult work is SO worth it.

You are so so lucky. But you know that. :)
When are you going again? I can't seem to keep track of everything in the world, funny how that works.

Date: 2007-01-31 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
Thanks. & I'm going to Royal Holloway in London (well, Egham, which is just outside London)

Date: 2007-01-31 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
in the fall...sept to dec. that's the idea...

Date: 2007-01-31 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matahliel.livejournal.com
My two cents is that Shakespeare would be comfortable and probably interesting, but while you have the oppurtunity to take other classes that sound interesting, you should do so. Shakespeare is ubiquitous, Drama and Witchcraft and british points of view on american lit aren't.

-Maggie

Date: 2007-01-31 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elanor-two.livejournal.com
true. thanks.

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